Bill Binney, a National Security Agency (NSA) surveillance program architect and whistleblower, told Sean Hannity in an interview Monday that the intelligence community listens in on American conversations without court-ordered FISA warrants.
“Under executive order “one-two-triple-three,” they do surveillance of everybody in the United States without warrants, and that’s done through various upstream programs — Fairview, Stormbrew, Blarney — and also in cooperation with other countries in terms of collection worldwide,” Binney told Hannity.
“So, it’s all done without warrants and that was testified to by Adrian Kinney and David Murfee Faulk, who were transcribing at Fort Gordon George. They were transcribing conversations between U.S. citizens with no warrant, at all.”
Hannity asked, “Aren’t they supposed to listen to what they minimize and what they record?”
Binney, who resigned from the NSA in 2001 and became a whistleblower, told Hannity, “I look at it this way. The IC (Intelligence Community) is becoming more like the Praetorian Guard. You know, where they’re trying to determine who the emperor is and also influence what the emperor does … so I just think that this is getting out of hand. And I think, you know, President Trump is absolutely right. The intelligence community needs to be revamped.”
“Are you saying that every American can be wiretapped against their will without any warning at any point?” Hannity asked.
“No. I’m saying they are,” Binney replied.
“You mean I have been wiretapped” asked Hannity. “Repeatedly?”
“Yes,” Binney replied.
Hannity then asked, “And by wiretapping, that means what? Recording my phone conversations, taking my emails, my texts?”
Binney responded, “That’s correct, and also storing it for mining.”
Binney then went on to tell Hannity that Barack Obama opened the executive order up to all agencies in the intelligence community, where originally it was restricted to the NSA, CIA, and FBI. Binney said this was the main reason he left the NSA.
“So, was Donald Trump being surveilled even without the FISA court?” Hannity asked.
“That’s correct. And, what it is … is he’s being targeted now. They’re going into the database looking for data on him,” said Binney.
Binney said at any time, someone from the intelligence community can leak conversations they have recorded of President Trump, noting that it would be a felony to release that information.
“There are very few times in my life where I get stunned, and you just stunned me,” Hannity said. He then asked former secret service agent Dan Bongino for his input on the information Binney had just disclosed and Bongino came off rather shocked.
“If that is, in fact, true — and I have no reason to question the legitimacy of it all — that is a stunning revelation,” Bonging said. “If that is, in fact, true, then Trump’s statement is correct. His tweet about being wiretapped is absolutely true.”
In an interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd, former director of National Intelligence, James Clapper said that he wasn’t aware of a FISA court order to monitor Trump Tower.
“Not to my knowledge,” Clapper said on Sunday. “I can’t speak for other authorized entities in the government or a state or local entity.”
Hannity asked Binney if he thought Clapper had lied in that interview. Binney responded by saying there is always the possibility he didn’t know because the FBI and CIA have direct access to NSA data with no oversight, at all.
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