During a Saturday appearance on MSNBC, pro-Trump Pastor Mark Burns quarreled with host Joy Reid as they discussed immigration and comments recently attributed to President Donald J. Trump.
The Daily Caller reports that the two had “a fiery exchange on air Saturday morning” as they disagreed about the plight of Haitian people.
According to some reports, President Trump referred to certain countries, including Haiti, as “s–t-hole countries,” in expressing the need for a merit-based immigration system. Reid and Burns argued over the comments, before moving on to other subjects.
Reid’s argument was about sending immigrants back to countries like Haiti, which could happen if their Temporary Protected Status (TPS) were revoked, a decision the administration makes. TPS is temporarily offered to undocumented immigrants when war, or other “extraordinary” conditions make returning to their native country unsafe. The status does not “lead to lawful, permanent resident status.”
So far, the Department of Homeland Security has announced that its ending TPS for El Salvador, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Sudan. Nearly 60,000 Haitians face removal from the United States as the administration finds that they no longer need the temporary residency program. Haitians living under TPS have until July 2019 to gain a different, legal immigration status, or leave, according to Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Elaine Duke.
Reid says America will be “sending them back to die,” as she agreed that countries like Haiti are destitute.
“How can you, as a man of God, justify sending people back to such a country if the country is so broken? How can you justify sending people back to that country?” Reid asked Pastor Burns, who was defending the president’s desire to limit refugees seeking residency in America.
“This is not about sending people back to their country,” replied Pastor Burns. “We are talking about taking care of America first.”
Pastor Burns continued: “Joy, it is not the responsibility of the United States of America to be the United States of the global world. This is the United States of America. You, Joy, I, am American. The President of the United States’ job, his vow and oath, was to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and the citizens of the United States.”
The pastor said that America is not “leaving those people to die” as they are being sent millions of dollars in aid.
“We are sending them to die,” replied Reid.
“Let me ask you a question,” Burns continued. “Do you believe that millions of dollars that we send to Haiti and those other countries, wouldn’t that money do good here in America?”
“Wouldn’t that money do good for other African Americans?” Pastor Burns continued. “Let’s talk about the black mothers, let’s talk about the black fathers, let’s talk about the black single moms in America,”
The conversation was ended by Reid, who became frustrated with the pastor and took him off the air. Later, Pastor Burns posted a Twitter message, discussing the exchange, and Reid replied.
The referenced clips may be viewed below.
— Pastor Mark Burns (@pastormarkburns) January 13, 2018
— AM Joy w/Joy Reid (@amjoyshow) January 13, 2018